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October 19, 2013 at 1:53 am #10651AnonymousInactive
The fight has started and for what ever reasons maybe you were distracted your awareness wasn’t what it should have been and your looking at an individual ready stepping toward you totally switched on and ready to light your head up any suggestions? etc… sidestep and enter with a step outside side kick edge of hand etc.. just wanting others input we have been working on this type of setup.
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October 19, 2013 at 2:05 pm #12802JDNicholsParticipant
Hey Daren this is a great subject. Now let’s go back to module 1, in order for an assailant to impose his will on you he has to get close, even if he is in the fist fighting stance he still has to be close enough to strike you. If we use our 3 primary defense elements we learn in module 1 DISTANCE, BALANCE AND MOMENTUM we have the best chance of success. The good thing is he has already shown us his intention, which is much better than being blindsided sucker punched and cold cocked. Distance gives us the edge we can put some distance between us and him because we learned in Module1 action is always faster than reaction. If we step back in the blade stance he now has to react to our action by coming to us. Also by being in the blade stance we are in a strong stance, now here is where balance and momentum come in. When he comes to you while you are in a blade stance he has already comprised his balance, his is in motion. Momentum is a two way street you can use his momentum against him or use your momentum to take ground. Now let use his momentum against him, we are in the blade stance and are prepared staying on his centerline he will have to come to you or it is just a standoff, for him to come to you he has to shift his weight, that is our cue to let the clutch out!
I’m sure you have heard the boxing term he got caught stepping in, that’s exactly what you do. Now remember LEAD WITH SPEED AND FOLLOW WITH POWER! As they step in open with a barge of edge of hand strikes to disorient them take their balance completely, it is already comprised because they are in motion now you build your momentum by hacking away taking ground now that you have taken their balance FOLLOW WITH POWER. It is good to practice different scenarios however, as we learn in Module 1 SPECIFIC DEFENSES DON’T WORK, when the shit hits the fan you won’t be able to recall specific techniques, stick with the basics, which is why the SDTS works, it is built on simple techniques that you WILL recall in a high stress environment. These techniques have the highest percentage of success and are proven. In my opinion Module 1 is the most important module in the SDTS because it is the foundation for our system. Learn it and know it well, use the other modules as attributes to your foundation and you will be successful in defending yourself and loved ones. In short don’t get hung up on specifics, use the basics in Module 1 and hack the hell out of them. -
October 19, 2013 at 2:56 pm #12803JDNicholsParticipant
Daren, as a point of interest take a look at some old George Foreman fights. Even though George Forman was a boxer and that sport has rules note how he fights. You will notice that he would tuck his head and move forward like a bull. You will see him beat his opponents in the arms with hammer fist or whatever it took to push them back and then boom, that powerful short uppercut or a powerful jab and lights out. I’m sure his opponents were thinking what the hell; he’s hitting my arms and trying to run through me, that’s not how you are supposed to box. But it worked, I’m sure that came from the days back in Houston in the ninth ward when George had a street fight or two. When George got in trouble in the ring he would recall those days and did what worked. TAKE GROUND, BUILD MOMETUM, LEAD WITH SPEED AND FOLLOW WITH POWER, TAKE THEIR BALANCE AND MAINTAIN YOURS, BEAT, PUSH, HIT, DON’T STOP. Does all of that sound familiar? George didn’t use specifics when he got in trouble in the ring; he used what worked the basics he recalled about surviving.
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October 20, 2013 at 8:18 am #12807Damian (Instructor)Keymaster
Thanks alot for your response it you really covered it stick to the basics and you can’t go wrong I think mod 1 really sums it all up for you just don’t think it so much and just act. Mod 1 really gives you a good comprehensive fighting system don’t you think?
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October 20, 2013 at 11:43 am #12808James GoolsbyParticipant
Daren,
In a word: yes. If a person never progressed beyond Mod 1 they would have a pretty formidable system. Having said that, however, it is important to go through the entire program. The thing that makes SDTS so powerful is that it is NOT really technique based. No, the true power comes from the fact that SDTS is philosophy based. What I mean is that it is Damian’s way of looking at things — his principles — that holds all the secrets. For example, “Lead with speed, follow with power.” Or, “Don’t chase the weapon, attack the man.” If technique was all that, we’d all be friggin’ Bruce Lee! A punch is a punch and a kick is a kick. Every martial art or system has pretty much the same moves more or less.
Sure, [Damian Ross] is going to teach you some “moves”, but as I’ve stated elsewhere, he’s not really teaching you anything that your body won’t do instinctively anyway; he’s just given all your fight or flight reactions names so we can communicate with one another and train. Only by learning principles, not just technique, will you be the most effective. And to do that, you gotta hit all 12 Mods… there’s gold in every single one.
P.S. Don’t forget to get some basic equipment and work the drills, too. Watching the video entertains, drilling the video trains!
Good luck and stay safe.
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October 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm #12809JDNicholsParticipant
You got it Daren, and very well said, just act and don’t think so much. Module 1 Rocks! Also Daren the best defense we learn is awareness, just being aware will prevent more attacks than you can imagine. Most attackers are not there to fight, they look for the blindside sucker punch coldcock, remember from mod 1 they fear BEING CAUGHT, BEING IDENTIFIED, AND BEING INJURED. The loud mouth bully is the one who wants to stand toe to toe, you know the guy, the one who runs his mouth and pulls his shirt off. The great thing about the SDTS and its simplicity is it works for both the attacker and the loud mouth types. Like I said it’s good to work on different attack/bully scenarios, just train using the basics that is what you will remember when the scrap is on. Great post Brother!
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October 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm #12810JDNicholsParticipant
Daren like James Goolsby said use all of the modules they are attributes to your foundation, Module 1. You will find the basics you learn in mod 1 will be in each module that follows. Work those drills then work them some more.
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December 9, 2013 at 12:46 pm #13224AnonymousInactive
Front leg whip kick to the nuts. Follow up with multiple strikes to the head and neck.
Repeat as needed.
TP
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December 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm #13240Damian (Instructor)Keymaster
I like it Thomas kick those baby’s up into his throat!
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January 8, 2014 at 10:21 pm #13451J RMember
Thank you for asking this question. I have wondered this myself and meant to ask. I have never used any techniques on somebody already ready in a fighting stance so I was wondering how it would work too. I try to train with my training partner but he only wants to train Thai Kick Boxing so that is what we do when he comes over to train. He things SDC looks cool but won’t train with me. My fellow police officers at work think it looks silly and only want to train MMA. I have had discussions with them about jitsing on the ground in the real world with threats of multiple attackers and with all of our equipment on but they still believe the hype. I have also brought up tapping and how their reflex would be to loosen up or let go if one tapped leaving a quick opportunity to counter them. None believe me. I’ll just keep training SDC and Guardian and do it my way.
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January 9, 2014 at 6:39 am #13453Damian (Instructor)Keymaster
JR kept in doing what your doing. Sooner or later they will realize mma type defense does not work in the street. And great point in tapping. Personally I’ve had to use these skills a few times in the past 6 months and they work! Especially the web of hand to the throat even if it’s not full force it works like a charm. I unfortunately had to use that on a load mouth high school ghetto girl who true to attack me while djing a dance at their high school. She charged at me and the very first reaction was a quick but controlled web of hand to her throat and a quick shoulder lock and I walked her right on over to the officer working the dance. He witnessed the whole ordeal and even asked for pointers after the fact. She was unharmed but highly upset, school bullies are always fun to take down. I despise bullies!
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January 10, 2014 at 8:53 am #13465James GoolsbyParticipant
@J R said:
Thank you for asking this question. I have wondered this myself and meant to ask. I have never used any techniques on somebody already ready in a fighting stance so I was wondering how it would work too. I try to train with my training partner but he only wants to train Thai Kick Boxing so that is what we do when he comes over to train. He things SDC looks cool but won’t train with me. My fellow police officers at work think it looks silly and only want to train MMA. I have had discussions with them about jitsing on the ground in the real world with threats of multiple attackers and with all of our equipment on but they still believe the hype. I have also brought up tapping and how their reflex would be to loosen up or let go if one tapped leaving a quick opportunity to counter them. None believe me. I’ll just keep training SDC and Guardian and do it my way.
JR,
I’ve run into some of this, too, at my department. We have several guys that train MMA and think that it’s effective. And, for certain situations it is. The challenge I see with it is that they have a BAD tendency to want to lock a guy up and take him to the ground every time. I’ve tried to explain how they are putting themselves at risk from other attackers while they’re rolling around trying to apply an arm bar or the infamous “triangle” choke, but to no avail. Unfortunately, it’s like Damian says in many other threads… they are so invested in their system in both time and money that they flat refuse to recognize any faults. We SDTS-ers, on the other hand, are not big on tradition and would not hesitate to call shenanigans on Damian if we thought something was out of whack. Fortunately I’ve been through all 12 Modules and I haven’t found anything wrong yet!
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