April 26, 2009 at 11:21 am #10222AnonymousInactive
For those of you who are seeing the term COMBATIVES for the first time, the word has grow to refer to any military type self defense or close quarters combat. The world war II close quarters combat self defense aficionados have stuck their flag in it. But at the end of the day, combatives means anything to use to gain the tactical advantage over your attacker.
By that definition we do fall into that category. Now I’ll get to my main point.
Combatives people will be the first to say that martial arts and combat sports take too long and are not designed for the “street”. (BTW, I really dislike using the term “the street” I feel like I’m in 7th grade). In that regard they are 100% correct. The will also say that they martial arts and self defense take to long to learn and are too complicated. They are also correct.
But that’s where it ends. If you ever watch these trolls argue on forums they automatically fall to the old martial arts stand-bys:
I trained with instructor XYZ and I was his favorite or I have been doing this for 30 years.
Training for an extended period of time does increase expertise, but not as much as you think. Personally, to make someone really proficient in self defense takes me about 6 months. 6 months to prepare anyone who is willing for any possible situation.
At the end of the day, fundamental techniques are what save the day. Sure there are “advanced” techniques, but “advanced” doesn’t mean better or even essential. They allow you to expand your mind and f they come to you in the heat of the moment, fantastic, but your essential and fundamental techniques will always work. Last night on deadliest warrior, a former Green Beret said that the Spartan had 4 primary weapons and that’s what made him a great warrior. He didn’t hesitate. He only had 4 weapons that were designed for specific situations. The rest of his training was to develop toughness, power and aggression (sound familiar).
This stuff is simple and easy to use. In the beginning it takes a little time making the techniques instinctive, teaching you to be resourceful and developing your aggression. your aggressions comes directly from your will to survive.
There’s not a lot to applying 6 basic techniques. Once you have the primary techniques down and you can hit with power and confidence all you need is to be shown HOW to apply what you know to any situation.
It’s what you know and how well you can perform it NOT how long you have been doing it.
MOST self defense systems are martial arts disguised as self defense and most self defense experts are couch potatoes acting like martial artists.
I know I really piss people off and I post here hoping I am challenged. This stuff is like religion. But what they can’t argue against is I am a martial artist and a combat sport practitioner as well as a “combatives” guy. But I’m already sick of that word and all it entails. Combatives experts are usually disgruntled martial artists who read a few books, attend a few seminars and like to talk. The same BS…different day.
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May 24, 2009 at 9:44 pm #11143
What is your opinion of Kelly McCann?
May 26, 2009 at 1:26 pm #11145
I think he says a lot of good things. I also remember him in the early 90’s showing somethings that were a little different. But we all grow and evolve.
I pulled up the video of him on Black Belt.
Technique is secondary, tactics come first. One thing I did notice is that in this demonstration he says something that is interesting, in the middle of your attack you have to determine (on the fly) whether the guy is trying to punch you or stab you.
We all know this is impossible and you must react in a way that takes a weapon into account.
As far as just teaching police and military…they are not the ones who get attacked and victimized on a regular basis. Citizens need the training and the expertise.
June 6, 2009 at 9:16 pm #11165
If you want to see something really worth less and funny check out Martin Day’s so called Uncensored Elite Unarmed Combat. I can’t believe he was a British SAS instructor.
June 9, 2009 at 4:36 am #11175
I finally saw the Foot Fist Way the other day and I thought it was funny and tragic at the same time. I started shaking my head when I started thinking of all the martial arts instructors that I’ve met that are just like that guy. Far too many instructors think they’re the baddest thing on the planet and everybody else sucks.
This does bring up a curious side issue…
In addition to running into instructors who think like that clown in the film, there are also students who walk into various martial arts schools who start to think right away that they could easily defeat the instructor, therefore the instructor has nothing of value to offer the student. Why is this? In the boxing world, if you were to ask the various champions if they could beat their trainers, the answer of course is yes. But does that mean that their trainer has nothing of value to offer the fighter? Of course not that’s stupid. In the martial arts world however, there is this king of the hill mentality. When I walk into a martial arts studio, I’m tired of hearing some schmuck masturbating to his own personal greatness. I’m not interested on how much of a bad ass the instructor is, but can that instructor help me to become the best I can be? One of the things that I do like about the self defense modules is that I feel that they can help me to become the best I can be. I’ve only been training in module 1 and am currently awaiting the arrival for module 2, but I like what I see so far.
June 9, 2009 at 4:57 pm #11176
I wrote an article somewhere around here titled Are we getting progressively worse?
In martial arts you will “never be able to beat your instructor” (meanwhile sensei is 90 years old and in need of a diaper change).
This is a fatal flaw in the model. Every coach, trainer and teacher (the good ones anyway) wanted me to be better than them.
This is also why the martial arts have degenerated. It’s like bad parenting, only the children who liked to get abused stay only to abuse the new children. The ones with half a personality, leave (I speak from personal experience after I had a falling out with my brother over this very issue EGO).
Martial Arts instructors suffer from, we can call this the Alec Trebek Syndrome or ATS. Sure the guy seems smarter than he contestants…he has the answers to the questions he’s asking.
It is impossible for an instructor to be able to defeat all of his students. If this is true, he’s probably not a good instructor. Now I idn’t say it would be easy (at 70 years old, Yonezuka Sensei- probably one f the coolest cats on the planet, would be tossing guys 1/4 of his age, when he felt up to it).
The reality is, any athlete, reaches a peak when your knowledge, skill and physical endurance all meet. Personally, I’m past that point, now I just know better.
I hope EVERYONE reads your post. I have personally trained some serious bad-asses training in the SDTS and given a choice, I would not want to be on the business end of them.
October 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm #11291
Im 19 and my primary unarmed offensive weapons are the edge of hand, chinjab, the web of hand and the good old fashioned right hook to the jaw!
October 16, 2009 at 7:48 pm #11294
How are you sir? As for the pharse “combative” it really has become a catch word. But it is a word that results in excellent search engine placement as my site will attest.
However, I will somewhat challengs your opinion of those of us that use the term in order to reach a greater audience.
* I for one have been involved in martial arts as well as competitive boxing and Muay Thai almost my entire life. The only thing that every frustrated me about art is the common inability to recognize the different psycho-physiological restraints of self-defense.
* To this end (as you stated on another post) the factor of fear, e.g. pain, death, the unknown, as so forth; have a direct physiological effect on the body and thus on the mind.
* Which brings to focus the differences between gross motor,complex motor and fine motor skills. A good self-defense system is not centered around complex or fine (as you well know) as there is not one multi-planed movement in the SDTS), as least through 4 dvd’s.
* The essence of self-defense/personal protection is to allow anyone who wishes the availability and opportunity to protect themselves. Gross motor skills are easily learned and internalize, complex movements consisting of three or more different directional movements take time to learn and internalize.
Gross motor skills remain applicable during moments of high stress, complex and fine motor skills do not. In some cases even long time martial artist and sports fighters have failed under survival stress (those lacking practical experience).
I remember your article ” The Acronynm that Saved My Life.” At the close when you were thinking about naming this system, Carl thought of ,” [b:3689eo68]F[/b:3689eo68]ierce [b:3689eo68]U[/b:3689eo68]narmed [b:3689eo68]C[/b:3689eo68]ombat [b:3689eo68]K[/b:3689eo68]arate [b:3689eo68]I[/b:3689eo68]nstinctive [b:3689eo68]T[/b:3689eo68]raining.
For the mosst part combative is merely a term, with this I agree. While I also agree that focus, attitude and intent of training goes along way to developing our ability to defend ourselves, there is a very large portion of the population that have never experienced the realitites of violence beyond school yards and Saturday night.
As a personal protection instructor I personally take this into account with in the confines of the student training mechanism’s; i.e. adrenaline, universal body language, role playing.
These are not the earmarks of a frustrated martial artist or a club fighter, rather it is the pride that I take in what I do, teach and believe. The more I am able to neuro-logically program some one who does not wish to make a career out of it, the more confidence the student develops in both themselves and the techniques I teach.
This is a moderen definition of combatives to include yet another catch pharse personal protection (lol)
Speaking of self-defense instructor I invite you to go to my site and check out todays post about a beatdown that happen in a DOJO in 1984. If you have not been following this I belive you’ll find it interesting, to say the least. There are two related videos on post from this so called self-proclaimed martial arts Master.
Watch them – read the post and decide for yourself. I personally would rather be referred to as a personal protection combative instructor than be lumped into the category these morons created with their idiotic egos and lack of restraint.
Anyway starting to ramble so thanks for the time.
October 21, 2009 at 5:30 pm #11297
Is Defendu the same as combatives?
October 22, 2009 at 5:36 pm #11299
Defendu is associated with W.E. Fairbairn’s book. Paladin Press just released it.
Combatives is a new term to describe lose quarters self defense.
There is an article here: https://www.myselfdefenseresource.com/hi … fense.html
Combatives is the term, Defendu is a title of a book. Defendu could be described as combatives.
October 22, 2009 at 5:58 pm #11300
I was wondering if the Tiger Claw could knock someone flat on their ass even though the Tiger’s Claw isn’t a direct uppercut like the Chinjab
October 22, 2009 at 7:50 pm #11301
Any thing can happen if you hit them hard enough.
It will knock ’em silly if you attack the base of the skull like in Module 1.
October 22, 2009 at 9:13 pm #11302
I’ve practiced the web of hand blow extensively on my bob and every now and then I jab my thumb and it’ll stay sore for a couple days, so is the web of hand still an effective technique, I feel it would be easier to use on a person instead of bob who can’t absorb shock unlike flesh and bone.
October 22, 2009 at 9:57 pm #11307
It’s a technique and there is a reason it’s an advanced technique, it needs to be practiced.
Try changing the angle of the blow a bit to a slight arc and work with it from there.
Hey, you’re not going to love everything, and not everything is going to work for you.
The bouncers and cops like the web of hand for a nasty come along technique when you strike the base of the skull/top of the neck from the rear.
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