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Damian, when you said that training in real self-defense is more akin to shooting a firearm at a gun range; that sums in in simple words what I always wanted to get across to sport-fighting guys, MMA -types and even SOME-not all-Krav Maga entusiasts. While I know that you and anyhone trained in WWII tactics have great stuff to offer in the way of knife-use I still hold that one of the most important ways to train ones’ self to use a knife is what an Ex Army Col who spent 7 years in Viet Nam told me:
If you really want to know you can use a knife on someone, sepnd some time stabbing a peice of raw meat!
And I do! For 4 years now I , once or twice a month will purchase a pork shoulder. Then I’ll wrap the meat up in a t-shirt I don’t need anymore (obviously) then tie it to a tree-branch and stab and cut (not slash-cut) the hell outta that meat. And because I am simulating exactly what I’d do with that knife on a person who meant me harm; I not only do it with no regard for it’s safety, I actually in addition cultivate a little bit of contempt and dislike towards that cheap cut o meat! lol
Same goes for Bob, a heavy bag or WHATEVER IT IS I am hitting. I have many stories about how in Kenpo class, I’d go with the same attitude….only to have Sifu pissed off at me or anyone else daring to think combat while sparring or doing the techs on each other.
It hampered me a bit. And yeah when I am doing this stuff with a partner, I will always start out a little bit slow, but still with “intesity and intent”. Anyone who says “okay you’re are not hurting me, but you are going to intense like you’re enjoying this too much blah blah” is NOT someone I wanna train with. I think at this point, my reality-training should only be comprised of 25 or 30% training the techniques with a partner, 75% doing it on a bag or dummy, real time, real intensity…real fast and real mean lol.
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In SDTS module 9 we show training edged weapons with stacks of cardboard and old boxes. Just tape them together with good old duct tape and your set.
I won’t have the same psyc component as a piece of raw meat..nothing ever does
. But you can do it more often.I’m sure you noticed right away that there is only one way to grip the knife and that’s to squeeze the hell out of it!
It’s funny, a lot of knife experts never even practiced STABBING anything.
Incredible.
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Damian, not ONLY do I grip the hell outta the damn thing..But my Granpa DID tell me to do a similar thing that Jerry Peterson of SCARS says about knife fighting ( and this is ONE area where I think SCARS has it right) he told me to keep my wrist “relatively locked” and ONLY hold it one of two ways: From the top or bottom, ie ice pick grip or regular ol stickin-out-through-the-thumb-area grip. Wrists RELATIVELY locked. A MODICUM of tenseness.
But the main point is, yes I see this as the same as soldiers shooting at a range; if I were to spar the way I intend to defend myself, I’d be sued so bad I’d be in debtor’s prison the rest of my life.
LOL- So what, you’ve never worked with meat Damian?
“I love workin with pigs. The closest thing to human flesh in nature is the flesh of a pig. Here, this is a kill—STAB—-this is a kill—-STAB—that’s a wound—STAB the stomach’ll bleed n bleed” lol NAME THAT MOVIE!
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JKDGuy wrote:Damian, not ONLY do I grip the hell outta the damn thing..But my Granpa DID tell me to do a similar thing that Jerry Peterson of SCARS says about knife fighting ( and this is ONE area where I think SCARS has it right) he told me to keep my wrist “relatively locked” and ONLY hold it one of two ways: From the top or bottom, ie ice pick grip or regular ol stickin-out-through-the-thumb-area grip. Wrists RELATIVELY locked. A MODICUM of tenseness.
But the main point is, yes I see this as the same as soldiers shooting at a range; if I were to spar the way I intend to defend myself, I’d be sued so bad I’d be in debtor’s prison the rest of my life.
LOL- So what, you’ve never worked with meat Damian?
“I love workin with pigs. The closest thing to human flesh in nature is the flesh of a pig. Here, this is a kill—STAB—-this is a kill—-STAB—that’s a wound—STAB the stomach’ll bleed n bleed” lol NAME THAT MOVIE![/quote:11qm98p4]
Gangs of New York.
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One!! I KNEW if Damian did’nt get it you would! ^5
Now, ya see even though Scorsese’s depitiction of it was rather fictional…those were some slayers that had no formal training.
No traditional martial arts I have encountered would help you too well against William Poole aka Bill the Butcher.
Er, then Damian..if we ever have a Combatives Turn-Out BBQ……I…will do the cokkin. I DON’T mess up a roast. I am rather masterful withh them.
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Only thing that stumps me is 25..
Rules for a Gunfight
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1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap – life is expensive.
3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
4. If your shooting stance is good, you’re probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.
5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun.
7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.
8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running.
9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on “pucker factor” than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. “All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket.”
10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
12. Have a plan.
13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won’t work.
14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
16. Don’t drop your guard.
17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)
19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
24. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than “4”.
25. You can’t miss fast enough to win.
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JKDGuy wrote:While I know that you and anyhone trained in WWII tactics have great stuff to offer in the way of knife-use I still hold that one of the most important ways to train ones’ self to use a knife is what an Ex Army Col who spent 7 years in Viet Nam told me:
If you really want to know you can use a knife on someone, spend some time stabbing a peice of raw meat!
And I do! .[/quote:2t1f09h2]
Did anyone tell you about the legal and psychological ramifications of using a knife to defend yourself?
Whether it’s your knife or the knife you got off of someone who attacks you?
I’m only mentioning this because these are the most critical aspects of using a knife that no one seems to talk about.
Stabbing a piece of meat might have some benefit but thinking critically and understanding the deeper ramificatons of our actions are critical to being able to defend ourselves, not just physically but emotionally and psychologically as well.
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In the Self Defense and the Law section we discuss “Use of Force”
https://theselfdefenseco.madmooseforum.c … .php?t=212
You are right, it is a heck of a thing to do It is a heck of a thing to bring violence on any person. If you think about it outside the conflict it should not give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.
In training we focus on your will to live and your right to survive. That’s how you handle it. I know I could put some psychology there, but that’s about the size of it- I have a habit of making things as simple as possible.
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